January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

you were implying by saying that Frazier had "smart management" that he avoided
certain fighters thereby preserving his health. If you weren't saying that then
fine. Now you're saying that it was just "smarter management" than Ali's.
Whatever. I agree on both counts.Anyway, all of this is on the record.
The facts can't be disputed. There's a common thread to the guys Frazier fought
and didn't fight when he had a choice. He avoided/didn't fight/was kept away
from/didn't face/etc guys who were big punchers, while happy to fight the
feather fisted. (This has become another Monty Python's impasse. We
couldn't say previously that the parrot was dead. The parrot was just resting or
holding his breath. Same with Ellis. He wasn't clapped out by 1975. He'd just
been saving himself for Joe. But now we can't say that Joe "ducked" anyone. We
gotta put it in politically correct terms to appease the Dead Parroters. We
gotta say "Joe and Lyle were never in the same ring at the same time", or
"Frazier didn't fight Shavers because they didn't sign contracts to do so", or
"Frazier didn't touch gloves in ring central with Norton because Joe only fought
guys outside his circle of family and friends", etc. Just don't say the 'D'
word. It's unacceptable to Forest.) Anyway, Joe also wouldn't go in the
elimination tournament in 1969 because he said that he could beat all the other
guys and didn't need to prove it and it was an insult that the authorities
wanted him to. (Hey, Kent, we could do away with title fights citing the
"Frazier precedent". Rahman says he's better than Klitchco and could beat him
easily. It'd be an insult to make him prove it, so let's just give Rahman the
title. We could call it 'deeming'. Authorities have deemed the title to Rahman
citing the Frazier precedent.) Joe even fought a clapped out Jimmy Ellis
in Melbourne WHEN ELLIS HADN'T WON HIS PAST FOUR FIGHTS (read 4 fights, Kent,
not 4 years).And Frazier's only title defenses were against Stander and
Daniels. In boxing heavyweight history that would be the weakest defenses ever
made.Forest - you went to many of the Frazier and Quarry fights of that
era. Did you go to the Stander and Daniels blockbusters ? Did you bet on Joe in
the second 'fight' against Ellis ? Massive odds, huh. Your house to a cigarette
butt on a Joe victory. You must have been excited watching it.I went to
"boxing records" and couldn't find an entry for Terry Daniels. I found Stander's
record....37 wins and 21 losses. His record before fighting Joe was:May
1972 knocked out by FrazierMarch 1972 won pts 10 against
BoswellFeb 1972 lost to BrooksWOW ! Anyone got it on tape.
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|6/29/05 08:16:25 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|House vs. Cigarette
butt? I think I stand a better chance at being struck by a meteor than Ellis
had at beating Frazier in the notorious "Joe's Posse in Aussie" slugfest. I
wonder though, if Joe didn't defend against Stander and Daniels, who else was in
line? I'd have to look at old Ring Magazines---I wonder what other name
fighters were out there who might have been more deserving of a shot at
Frazier's title than this twosome?|
|6/29/05 08:39:08 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|To clarify, going into
the second fight with Frazier, Jimmy Ellis had only won once in his previous SIX
fights. I believe his record was 1-4-1 heading to Melbourne. He did rebound
after the loss to Frazier though, as he scored an impressive knockout over Carl
Baker. Does anyone here know who Carl Baker is? I think my uncle had a plumber
by that name. I wonder if it's the same guy? |
|6/30/05 04:49:34 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|AngeloOnly three months
before Stander fought Frazier, Stander was beaten by a guy named Brooks. I don't
know his first name but it might have been Mel.Ellis v Frazier (2) in
Melbourne, Australia, was a blockbuster. To those who bought ringside tickets,
however, it was known as "Suckers borne in Melbourne".Instead of that
farce, Frazier should have fought Lyle. Here is Lyle's record in that
period:(March 1, 1975 Frazier beats Ellis in Melbourne)March
1974 Lyle beats BonavenaJuly 1974 Lyle beats EllisSept