January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

debate goes on,the more Jerry Quarry'and Joe Frazier's stock and punching power
seems to deminish.I am starting to believe that Norton,Shavers,Lyle,and
Bruce,were much better fighters who where cheated out of there shot at
greatness.|
|3/16/05 02:52:48 AM|Kent|same||same||||10|Howard, I just used the same logic
you applied to Frazier's career but I applied it to Foreman's career. If this
logic holds water for Frazier's career, then why not for Foreman's as well?
So answer why George didn't fight Earnie Shavers, Mac Foster, Cleveland
Williams, Sonny Liston, and Jeff Merrit, and when he finally fought Ron Lyle, he
took a lot of punishment and he was badly hurt. He came very close to losing.
His management knew all along he was vunerable to sluggers and the Lyle fight
verified it.Again, he took on Ted Gullick when he could have fought
Foster and it isn't possible that this was a tune up with a fighter with a
similar style to Frazier's style, right?None of you guys answered my
question about whether Rocky Marciano would have suffered the sanme fate verses
Foreman as Frazier. It is quite possible if such a match up were possible it
would have ended the same say for Rocky, an early knockout victim to Foreman but
none of you want to be as critical of Rocky as you are to Frazier.|
|3/16/05 03:15:46 AM|Ed|Cicero N Y||MOoseygoop@aol.com||||10|Kent,I look at
Frasier like this...He beat a lot of top fighters. But most of all he beat Ali
when Ali was at or near his peak. The fight was considered by some as the
biggest sporting event in history and Joe won it. Did he leave a lot of himself
in that fight? Yes, which is why Ali won the next two battles and Joe was never
quite the same fighter. Did Frasier dodge some of the big punchers? Probably and
most likely because of the punishment he absorbed in fights shortened his career
(whether he won or lost) so his management was careful with him.But think
about it..could Joe louis, Dempsey, Marciano, Johnson or (Carnera.. for u
Mass)have ever beaten a prime Ali? Most think not..but Joe Frasier did and Ali
had no excuses the night he lost to him.|
|3/16/05 04:11:50 AM|Massimo Giulio Leonardo Cini (that's my name !)|"Serva
Italia, di dolore ostello..." Dante||shaqGOAT.com||||10|Kent-I wouldn't
trust the scorecards when Ali' is involved. Did you ever see the Ali'-Mac Foster
fight ? I didn't, so I don't know if it was close or not, and I will never know
until I watch the fight. Do you know what were the scorecards of the Ali'-
Bonavena fight at the time of the stoppage ? 12-2, 10-3-1, 8-5-1, all for
Ali'... Ah,ah,ah,ah !!!!!!!! Anybody who saw the fight knows well how ridiculous
that scorecards are !!!! I think that the judge who said 12-2 should be in jail
yet (or should still be in jail)! I'm not even sure that Ali' was ahead at the
time of the stoppage and if he was, definetely not for more than 2 points. In
Manilla the scorecards were 66-60, 66-62, 67-62 for Ali' ah ! ah! ah ! ah! I had
Ali' 1 point ahead. Norton-Ali' 1 a split decision ??????????????????????????
Ah, ah, ah, ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ali' was one hell of a champion,
maybe the greatest of all times, but never trust the scorecards when Ali' is
involved !|
|3/16/05 04:15:43 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Ed, I agree
about the significance of Frazier's win over Ali and I think some people here
have singled out Frazier and they are more critical of him than other fighters.
This can be shown by an example of me taking a look at Foreman's record
and applying the same scrutuny they use on Frazier's record and the same
conclusion, but not necessarily true, can be made about George avoiding punchers
too as both (if we are talking about George's first career) only fought one big
slugger. Frazier, Foreman was this opponent, and regarding Foreman, Ron Lyle
was the only puncher he faced.They point out how Frazier's overall
record can't compare to Ali and how Ali took on all comers but not many fighters
can compare to Ali. That is why Ali was called the greatest as no one, with the
possible exception of Joe Louis can measure up to him. Even Marciano, with his
perfect record, can't measure up as Marciano left relatively early after only