January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|2/21/05 12:34:08 PM|Bruto|Roma||Idi di Marzo.com||||10|Kent-I'm sorry,
Kent but I am looking for the williams and so I brought a few informations to
the table.|
|2/21/05 01:48:05 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Also, the
idea that Frazier vs. Norton never happened because they were friends is
idiotic. Boxing history (all weight classes) is littered with guys fighting
eachother who had a good relationship outside the ring. In fact, Ali and Ellis
were friends. Also, Holmes and Shavers were friends after their first fight.
Larry Holmes really liked Earnie Shavers, telling him to quit during their
second fight when Holmes had finally taken control. Shavers told him to "shut
up and fight." Frazier and Norton friends? What, did they meet in
Kindergarden? No, their common thread was beating Ali. Frazier hated him and
probably admired Norton for breaking his jaw. Honestly, Frazier-Norton might
have been a good fight. I don't think Frazier could have bombed him out like
Foreman or Shavers did---I think Norton would have won a few rounds but probably
given in to Joe's smoke late in the fight. |
|2/21/05 02:06:40 PM|Howard
C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|KentThe facts, ratings, resumes,
and results do not support you. All the guys Frazier didn't fight just happened
to be heavy punchers. He ducked and weaved them. Plain and simple.You
keep talking about Frazier having to beat Quarry to get the second fight with
Ali. What is it about the word nonsense you don't understand ? After Frazier
beat Quarry (whom he had already beaten 5 years earlier), he didn't go straight
into a title fight against Ali. No, he fought Ellis (whom he'd already beaten 5
years earlier).Joe was recycling guys he'd already beaten, to duck
punchers he'd never fought.And this was after he was damaged goods after
the first Ali fight. He even ducked guys in his prime. In ducking Terell, he
fought guys Terell had already easily beaten. Heck, Terell beat Jones in late
1966, and then Frazier opted to fight Jones (not his conqueror Terell) in
February 1967 - only three months later !Don't forget Frazier refused to
enter the elimination tournament. All the other guys were game, but Joe wasn't.
Terell was in that tournament.Joe said that he was too good to have to
fight for the title. Yet in the year prior he'd only beaten Jones, Davis,
Johnson, Chuvalo, Doyle and Conners.Your attempt to shift the blame awaw
from Frazier's omissions and failings onto Ali failed. He fought anyone and
everyone. Joe didn't. Wake up, Kent, smell the facts, caste a critical
and discerning eye over the history, listen intently to Angelo and Massimo,
consult the Ring Magazine ratings, and admit that you are wrong.Joe
Frazier ducked some fighters in his prime. He refused to fight in an elimination
tournament containing the best fighters of that era. And in the second half of
his career he ducked big punchers.He was not a risk taker. He didn't try
and climb new mountains. Joe is undeserving of anyone placing him in the Top 10
of all time. Finito. |
|2/21/05 03:16:24 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Howard C:
Joe wasn't alone in the effort to keep him from getting killed prior to fighting
Ali the third time. I'm sure his management and also the promoters understood
that there was more money in a third Ali-Frazier fight that there would be in a
1975 Ali-Shavers fight or something along those lines. They were all in it
together---Frazier would probably fight whoever they put in front of him, but
was damn glad it was light hitting and washed up Jimmy Ellis (hadn't Shavers
taken him out in one round a year earlier?)instead of a banger like Lyle. Joe's
management knew their bread and butter would be more bountiful if they could
preserve Frazier until they could wrangle a third Ali fight. Promoters knew
that Frazier-Ali III was some good money. Hell, even Ali figured that Frazier
wouldn't give him a great fight. Going into Manilla, Ali was a pretty heavy
favorite, and probably liked the idea of taking on a declining Frazier rather
than giving Foreman a rematch or fighting an up and coming power puncher. They