January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Holmes a competitive fight as did Snipes but to think it was a Gatti-Ward fight
would be misleading. Your prior posts demonstrate a lot of anger toward Cooney
and I'm not quite sure where its coming from. In the Holmes fight, I wish Cooney
had came out and forgot about the 15 rnds and made it into a fight as opposed to
a chess match which he lost. I believe Cooney was never the same fighter again
although he did defeat a 23-1 Eddie Gregg, a 22-6 George Chaplin and a 22-0 Phil
Brown. Cooney was unstable and never the same fighter when he fought Spinks and
Foreman although Foreman states that Cooney had him out but he didn't follow up.
I believe Foreman also became heavyweight champion after his Cooney fight,
ko'ing Moorer. If Eddie Futch stated to Cooney before he died that if Cooney had
let Futch be his trainer, he would have been heavyweight champion of the world.
That I believe. As I believe that if Clancy had had him earlier, Cooney would
have been a better fighter. I believe that Mike Tyson was a great fighter but
he never once got off the canvas to win a fight. Continuing your career after
being ko'd and trying to improve on your mistakes against the
same/similar/better competition as opposed to weaker competition also shows
heart! I don't see Chuvalo fighting comparitive fighters to Cooney after his
losses to good fighters. Chuvalo fought many average .500 fighters and worse to
pad his stats.|
|7/10/03 10:16:37 PM|Paul Maduros|midwest||pama42@yahoo.com||||10|Lets see now
gentlemen, Cooney vs Chuvalo. I guess Chuvalo is a heavy since he was about 208
to 217. Because of the reach and power difference I would choose Cooney. He
could get the punches in first. We miss you James, I never was lucky enough to
meet you. God bless|
|7/11/03 04:15:34 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Dan: the
reason I asked for opinions on the Mundine v Echols fight in Australia next
month was because I respect the knowledge of posters on this site. You should
too because it can be a forum for learning as well as debate. You mentioned
gleaning knowledge from magazines, trainers, boxers, gyms etc. That's a bit hard
down here as American boxing magazines cost over $20 and none of our gyms have
American fighters who'd know anything about Echols. Anyway, one of the posters
to this site contributes articles to a boxing website and another actually got
into the ring and has practical experience. There is nothing wrong in seeking
their views, is there Dan ? Sometimes it's better to ask and then listen. As far
as Cooney is concerned, while he was fun to watch, he didn't have much
substance. But that is just my opinion. |
|7/11/03 09:53:35 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Both Victor Valle
and Gil Clancy were fine trainers, but even the most skillled trainer cannot
compensate for a glassjaw (except through carefull matchmaking, which Valle
insisted on). Gil Clancy did work wonders with Cooney from atechnical
standpoint. He never in his career looked better than in his first round against
Foreman and that incudes the Holmes fight. Alas for Gerry, George started to
connect in round two and that was all she wrote. Chuvalo lasted 15 rounds
against Ali in hisprime (twice) does anyone honestly think Cooney could
have? Yes, I am sure Cooney would have landed some good shots early,but when
they had no effect, he would have faded and gone out in about 8 or 9 rounds. He
knew nothing about infighting, something Chuvalo was very good at, nor could
he fight in a clinch. I also wonder how well he would have taken
Chuvalo'sbody punches. Lyle and Norton were both in their 40's when they
fought Cooney. He lost to Foreman and Spinks and Holmes. He reallydefeated
only one top fighter who was still near his prime and that was Jimmy Young. So
the whole myth is based on ONEvictory and a lot of nonsense spread by master
promoters Rappaport and Jones. Valle was the only honest one in the
group.After Foreman ko'd Cooney, he publicly criticised Gil Clancy for not
protecting Gerry better. Cooney fought a pretty durable,C-grade jouryman
fighter named Eddie "The Animal" Lopez and could not knock him out, so to think
he would ko ironmanChuvalo is a great leap of faith indeed. Angelo Dundee