January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

from him,with good reason.However, somebody like Quarry who could really punch
hard may have had a chance against George.Remember the old Foreman was not in
that good a shape when Quarry was in his prime.The most recent George would have
been harder to beat.I'll just say this.The day Foreman took on three at one time
was pathetic.But that represented his conditioning during that era.He should be
glad one of them wasn't Quarry. |
|4/2/03 11:42:00 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|The problem with
the comparison between Foreman and Quarry is that Jerry's fans have a habit of
extrapolating three fights in Jerry's entire career (Lyle, Shavers, and Foster)
and using them as the performance norm and thus the comparison point. And they
naturally compare them to Foreman's weakest showings such as his "Foreman vs.
Five Men" stunt or the Young fight. This would be the same as comparing the
Jerry of the Norton fight or the Middleton fight (Jerry won by a quarter of a
point) to the Foreman of the Norton fight. A fair, unbiased comparison doesn't
work that way. You look at both men's complete records, the low points as well
as the highpoints. A guess using the highpoint vs. highpoint would be the Quarry
of the Lyle fight vs. the Foreman of either Frazier fight or the Norton fight.
Common opponents such as Frazier, Chuvalo, Norton, Lyle, and Ali should also be
considered. But in summary, it is misleading to compare Jerry at his best to
George as his worst. Has anyone ever asked Gil Clancy his opinion? He trained
them both. Someone should interviewe Gil and get his input.|
|4/2/03 12:33:05 PM|Evren|London||@||||10|I once read that Clancy said that
Quarry was a harder puncher! Maybe George should have given him a clump to prove
him wrong. John, you speak an awful lot of sense! I do not understand the
comment that Foreman wasn't in good shape when Jerry was in his prime - I think
that is utter rubbish. A great one vs a good one.|
|4/3/03 12:11:31 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Evren, I
respect your opinions a lot but I have to point out that you were using the
reasoning that because Frazier, Ali, and Norton beat Jerry, why would Foreman be
concerned about fighting Jerry. The reason is styles and that is the reason I
use for Jerry having a better chance (remember, I said I don't know if Jerry
could have handled Foreman)against Foreman. I use the Lyle, Shavers, and Foster
fights because of their similar styles to Foreman's style. John, you make a
point that Norton not only out boxed Jerry but he also outpunched Jerry. The
Jerry that fought Norton was well past his best and he took the Norton fight on
only three weeks notice because he needed the money, while Norton was near his
prime. Even so, for the first three rounds he was very competitive and he
punched himself out trying to knock Norton out in the third round after he was
badly cut. That is still one of the best heavyweight rounds I have ever seen! I
see Jerry and Norton to be a "pick em" fight, hard to pick a winner, prime
agaisnt prime. |
|4/3/03 04:00:25 AM|Evren|London||@||||10|I guess we will never agree on this
one. No disrespect intended on Jerry. I want to make that absolutely clear.|
|4/3/03 06:52:45 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|KENT: Although I
disagree with you on this one, I can see the logic of your thinking. Jerry was
an "anything can happen" type of fighter and that's one reason why we all liked
him so much.|
|4/3/03 01:23:35 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|I SURE FEEL JERRY SHOULD HAVE GOT THE
CHANCE,LIKE THE NIGHT OF 8/31/73 FOREMAN-ROMAN QUARRY-WOODY. THE SHAPE BOTH WERE
IN THAT NIGHT WOULD HAVE SETTLED EVERYTHING.WIN OR LOSE,AND JERRY WOULD HAVE
DEFINETLY BEEN THEY UNDERDOG, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN HIM IN THERE WITH
GEORGE AND HIS STYLE,THEN THEY ILL-ADVISED BATTERING HE TOOK FROM JOE FRAZIER IN
74'.|
|4/3/03 02:15:23 PM|EVREN|LONDON||@||||10|Jimmy Dorsey why is it when you intend
to write 'The' you actually write 'They'. It's a little confusing to read
sometimes that's all.|