January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Frazier's corner. Letting the fight go any further risked serious injury to
Frazier. The referee, doctor and Frazier's corner should have been charged with
manslaughter had they let it go any further. Frazier was behind on all three
cards at the finish, he couldn't win it on points, didn't have a knockout punch
left in him....in other words, he didn't have a snowflakes chance in hell. Had
the 15th happened he would at the very least got lots more(unnecessary)
punishment but, more likely in my opinion, he would have been knocked out and
perhaps badly injured. Stopping it was in Joe's best interests. As brave as Joe
was, and I've never said otherwise of him, he just wasn't good enough on that
particular night. And it's not like he got beat by a bum, anyway. Joe has every
right to hold his head high even though he got beat fair and square. End of
story. Look at the record books. Massimo, how was your festive season ? Did you
go away on holidays ? I got back to work yesterday and that was lots of fun. |
|1/6/04 05:25:06 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Hi Paul, how you doing ?I have
spent a pleasant festive season in Rome, thanks ! I have eaten good food,
listened to great music and maked good walks for Rome ( former caput mundi
).The question is:Do you think that Ali', who collapsed to the
canvas soon after the fight and who later spent several days in bed, would have
had enough strengh left in him for round 15 ?|
|1/6/04 05:32:15 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Maked good walks... What a swear !!
Made good walks ! My apologies ! Sorry from the bottom of my heart, William
Shakespear and Milton !|
|1/6/04 09:17:32 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|ON FRAZIER-ALI
III: The Mexican businessman who managed former welterweight champion Pepino
Cuevas once said "it is better to stop a fight a moment too soon than cry at a
brave man's funeral." Very well put. |
|1/6/04 10:30:50
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
Ali commented that when he was looking at Foreman down, he wondered it
he'd get up, thinking "Joe Frazier would never give up the title on his back." I
too had Joe a hair ahead in Manilla, ~before~ watching it in slow mo - that made
it even firmer in my mind. Of course, the Phillipino officials had him
hopelessly behind. Joe's eyes were in bad shape, but I think he was in better
shape otherwise. Ali staggered him in the 13th, and just stood there, unable to
follow up, and was slumped badly in his corner after the 14th, fainting after
the fight was over. I suspect he'd have come out. Then it's anyone's guess what
would have happened. No question if Frazier had had his eyes.There are a
handful of heavies who would have died rather than quit. Frazier was one. By all
accounts, Jim Jeffries was another. Dempsey, Marciano, possibly even Tunney,
believe it or not. Of non-champs, Quarry, Cobb, maybe even the Bayonne Bleeder,
Wepner. All gladiators born 2000 years past the time when you had to die any
longer, but still willing to in their hearts. |
|1/6/04 12:18:22 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|RSIn your list of the fighters
who would have died rather than quit, you forgot the bravest of alltime:
Primo Carnera. Look at his fight with MaxBaer... He fought with an injured
ankle almost all the fight and was knocked down 11 times but...At the end of
the night he was still up on his feet (... On hisbig feet...). He fought
almost all the fight against Joe Louis bleeding for a large cut on hislip !
He fought the second fight against Paulino Uzcudun with the right hand injured (
since the forth round) and won clearly on points. He foughtall the first
fight against Uzcudun ( Barcellona,1930) with too small gloves because the local
organizators gave him too small gloves!You see that Joe Frazier was a chump
in comparison!|
|1/6/04 12:27:17
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
How could I have forgotten the Frazier killer, da Preem? Seriously
though, Carnera was indeed a very tough man. Actually, Italians have a long and