January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

untouchable for the average person as would be trying to play major league
baseball, in the NFL, NBA, or NHL.The top pro fighter knows how to throw
every type of punch, throw them hard, in bunches, how to evade a punch, take one
~if~ hit, and recognize moments to attack and defend, within zones of fractions
of an inch and fractions of a second that are foreign territory to the ordinary
person.In addition, a top pro wouldn't fight an average person as he
would another pro. There wouldn't be the need for the same wariness and respect,
and he'd throw anything and everything right away, and it'd all land. He also
would little fear being hit back; even if John Doe connected, the punch would
almost certainly be nothing to write home about, and there wouldn't likely be an
effective followup, just more Hail Marys. Even a guy in shape, who'd had his
share of fights with other guys in parking lots or wherever would tire quickly
from the exertion alone, in a strange activity, not to mention the pounding he'd
be receiving, and his own wasted movements. From the conditioning angle alone,
it'd be like the marathon runner who's sore the next day after playing an
unfamiliar casual game of tennis with his girlfriend.|
|8/29/03 05:49:37 PM|Jonny Q|New York||JohnQW@yahoo.com||||9|As much as I
respect Larry Holmes, he didn’t have enough of the essential tools to beat Joe
Frazier. The only two people ever to beat Joe were the only two fighters who
could have in that era. To win over Joe you had to either have the tremendous
size and firepower to hurt him (Foreman) or enough speed and strength to
outmaneuver him (Ali). Holmes didn’t hit harder than Ali, so forget a KO, and
Larry never kept up the constant movement. He eventually slowed down and risked
trading in the later rounds. Joe brought down a lot of big guys – Ali, Mathis,
Ramos, others. As with all of Joe's fights, Holmes would have ended up on the
ropes. Larry was a great mid-ring guy; he didn’t do well pinned. If you
couldn’t hurt Joe, or run from, it was only a matter of time.|
|8/30/03 04:26:46 AM|sam|australia||yahoo.com au||||8|i think it stupid to say
larry holmes wouldn't havebeaten joe fraziers.holmes skills were just a
shade under alis.holmes would have held his own with likes of frazier. holmes
could box and slug it out whenever he needed to. i think holmes is bit underated
and one of the most multi talented boxers. as good as frazier was he bypassed
alot good fighters in his era like norton/lyle/shavers/ and sonny liston and
even mac foster.|
|8/30/03 01:59:00 PM|Jonny Q|New York||JohnQW@yahoo.com||||10|Sam - Stupid to
think Holmes would have beaten Frazier at their respective peaks? First, I
would not characterize your or anyone elses opinion as stupid. You like Larry
in that matchup, fine. For me, Holmes squeaked by Norton in 78, who use to be
owned by Frazier in the gym. Larry was near his peak and Kenny was on the way
out, and many still thought it was a draw. I just think that Larry was a great
talented and versatile fighter, but too vulnerable, tagged and knocked down too
many times while at his best to think he was superior to Frazier. Just three
years after Holmes was "robbed" in the Spinks fight, Larry was blown out by
Tyson, who's style and strength was not unlike the Frazier of March 71. My
opinion, you have yours.|
|8/30/03 02:16:37 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|I pick Frazier
over Holmes by close decision. Joe would have to reach down deep to pull this
one out. It would be one for the ages. Heart would play a major role in this
one because although Holmes had a lot of heart, he didn't have more heart than
Smokin Joe. Joe entered the ring would the mindset that he would die before he
would acknowledge defeat. Not many fighters had that determination, not even
Holmes.Jonny, yes styles make fights, and Holmes's style is similar to
Ali's style, that is why Frazier verses Holmes would be a great fight. But to
use Tyson's win over an over the hill Holmes because Tyson had a similar style
to Frazier as an example of why Frazier would win is not a good argument because
we are talking about an in prime Tyson verses an old, slower Holmes. Because if
Tyson had met an in prime Holmes, the verdict may have been different.|