January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

contemporaries then this debate here - rightly or wrongly - would never have
taken place. The fact that this debate was necessary proves that there are holes
and question marks on Joe's career courtesy of Cloverlay. I also believe
Joe would have fought the hard punchers had he been allowed. Cloverlay stopped
him. |
|10/20/05 04:13:48 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Angelo, who are the Ali haters?
And what have they been saying? All it seem to me is the same old prattle about
Ali- and Frazier day in and day out. Why does this go on? I have seen
countless rankings on this site where Ali is regarded as the greatest
Heavyweight Champ ever. I have yet to see one regarding Frazier even in the top
5 all time. There is no problem with that.I have seen: Angelo, Howard C,
Noam attack not only Frazier viciously but also Frazier's supporters supporters.
For the most part the people who supported Frazier and attacked Ali viciously
have left this site. Saddly, some of them were interesting when talking about
things besides Frazier and Ali.In fairness to Noam he does not attack
Frazier supporters and I think he would be more than happy to move
on.Angelo when you discuss other things beside Frazier you are
interesting and informative. But God, you have been saying the same stuff about
Frazier for over a year now.Regarding Howard C he knows little or
nothing about boxing other than name calling and Ali- Frazier prattle.If
I could only fllter out this Frazier-Ali garbage, I think I could really enjoy
this site. Sadly. I can't. Then again if I could, and did ,the Ali-Frazier
supporters would accuse me of censorship|
|10/20/05 04:35:02 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I've been
saying the same stuff about Frazier, some good and some not so good---but have
generally left the topiec alone when it died down and only began writing about
it again in response to others' posts. It's not surprising that on a Jerry
Quarry website, so much has been written about 60'-70's heavyweights and so much
has been debated about two of the best fighters who beat him, Ali and Frazier.
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|10/20/05 04:48:12 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Howard C.:
In response to your post, if you really think about it, the Frazier supporters
have won. Why? We're actually having to make a case and go on the defensive---
that Ali was a good and charitable person, that Ali won in Manilla and would
have still won had there been a 15th round (Rhodescholarette maintained that
Frazier would have KOed Ali in the 15th). In short, it's tit for tat with Ali
and Frazier. Frazier's supporters have actually elevated him to Ali's level and
have engaged Ali fans in what appears on the surface to be a legitimate debate.
The reality is that Muhammad Ali transcends boxing and athletics by a hundred
miles. He was an important and iconic figure of the 60's and 70's and for a not
so brief period of time, might have been the most recognizable living face on
the planet. Depending on who you talk to, you hear many different things about
Ali's influence. To me, he was a great boxing champion. To others, he's a
political hero. To others, he's a religious/spiritual hero. To others, he's a
charitable humanitarian who has shared his own good fortune and wealth. He's
not without faults, but his life has meant a lot to so many. Meanwhile, Frazier
is a great boxing champion and maybe a nice guy and maybe a good family man and
maybe an important guy in his community. That's pretty darn good, but it's not
approaching the world figure that Ali was and is. So here we are, keeping
Frazier's legend alive by comparing and contrasting him to Ali and for that
reason, Frazier fans have won. If not for his relationship to Ali, he'd be
forgotten by all but the most informed sports fans. |
|10/20/05 05:52:09 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Angelo, that was a great post!
You have a way about looking at things from a perspective that I do not have.
And when you do you have me looking at things in a entirely diffferent way. You
made good points |
|10/20/05 08:29:09 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, who