January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

are the Frazier supporters? I guess I would be among them but as I have stated
on many occasions, Ali is the greatest of all time and I have never said
anything else.I have also said, more than once, it is unfair to compare
Ali's acomplishments to other fighters, including Fraier's. That is what set
Ali apart. He did things other fighter did not do. Hence he is the greatest of
all time|
|10/20/05 08:29:50 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, who
are the Frazier supporters? I guess I would be among them but as I have stated
on many occasions, Ali is the greatest of all time and I have never said
anything else.I have also said, more than once, it is unfair to compare
Ali's acomplishments to other fighters, including Fraier's. That is what set
Ali apart. He did things other fighter did not do. Hence he is the greatest of
all time|
|10/21/05 01:38:24 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Kent's percentages about the world
class fighters faced by Frazier, Ali, Foreman and Holmes are
meaningless.Say, for example, Holmes fought 7 world class guys (to use
Kent's description). It means nothing. There may have only been 7 world class
guys out there to fight. Holmes can't create them. It's not his fault that there
were no more to fight.To make it meaningful you must not only list the
world class guys he fought, but also the available world class guys he didn't
fight. And then reduce it to a percentage. We could say that Holmes fought 17
world class guys and there were 20 available in his career. So he fought 75% of
what was available.Same with Ali, Foreman, and Frazier. The way Kent has
it doesn't mean a thing and proves nothing. As to the Ali haters, I've
heard no one celebrating Joe's bad health. Plenty here gloat about Ali's. Many
criticize Ali personally lots. Not so about Frazier where boxing, not personal
things, is the main issue.Most of the time people talking about Ali are
just responding to something. I've heard Pete, for example, make a point about
Ali and then say this is boring and let's move on. However, the next poster is
entitled to respond to what Pete said. Or Pete starts the post saying,
"It's boring talking about Ali all the time" and then as Howard says Pete talks
about Ali. If Pete wants to move on from the subject then he should just move on
without trying to make sneaky little points all of the time at someone else's
expense.And I guess if Pete doesn't want to talk about Ali then he
doesn't have to. If Kent or Howard or Angelo or anyone does want to talk about
it then they should be able to do that without Pete jumping down their
throats.As it stands if a guy seen as pro-Joe, like Kent, says something
about Ali, there is silence from Pete. But if Angelo, or me, or Howard says
something (guys seen as pro-Ali) then Pete berates us. No real balance there.
(Hey, Pete, I'm being honest in what I'm saying and not trying to antagonize you
be saying it.)Anyway, Kent, I look forward to your percentages about the
number of world class fighters fought against the number of world class guys
available. For Frazier all you essentially need to do is take the list of world
class fighters you drew up for Ali and then mark off the ones Joe fought and
didn't fight. Simple. Then reduce it to a percentage. I'd call it the Braveheart
Scale. |
|10/21/05 01:51:14 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Angelo, I agree with what you say
about Ali wholeheartedly. Like everyone, he did some personal things not to be
entirely proud of, but he also did lots more good things for people from all
other the world. Little acts of kindness that never get praise. And, of course,
the dignity he shows with his disease motivates many with the same condition. It
must annoy his haters when they witness the universal accolades he gets, opening
Olympics, getting prestigious awards, etc. I feel a bit sorry for
Frazier. To be fighting in the same era as Ali must be intimidating. Joe thinks
he doesn't get the praise he deserves, etc.I don't think Joe did himself
any favours with his attitude. Boasting about Ali's medical condition, gloating
about it, turned stomachs and made him appear small minded. In his book the way