January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

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|10/15/03 08:07:23 AM|Massimo|Rome||hg||||10|I have a DVD called " THE FIGHTERS"
( the most beautiful DVD I have ever seen"). It's allabout Ali-Frazier 1. In
this wonderful DVD it's Frazier that calls Ali' chump... I have never
understood what fuck ( or prick or cazzo in Italian) this means... Surely is
nothing good !!!!|
|10/15/03 08:25:59
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|A lot of things
had to happen for Douglas to beat Tyson that day, if they'd fought 9 more times
at other points in there careers, >Maaaybe, but the real greats were
never taken by someone with that great a discrepancy in ability, all other
things being equal. The main thing that happened was the emergence of Tyson's
chumpism, something no one thought he had. This can override talent any
day.A chump? What is that, something you heard on "Starsky and Hutch" ?
Boxing is full of guys from poor backgrounds, Roberto Duran certainly fits this
profile. >Busted! Yes, I have tapes of all their reruns, and use the
show and its immortal actors (they put Jack Nicholson and Michael Caine, et al
to shame, as we all know) as guides to living a good and God fearing life.
Instead of asking myself, "What would Jesus do?" I ask, "What would Starsky and
Hutch do?" They would have thought Mike Tyson was a physically talented boxer,
but a chump as a man. I was aware that virtually all boxers came/come from poor
backgrounds, yes.How many guys have been champ or damn near champ for 20
years? Tyson is a very rare talent>Compared to ordinary people, and in
this venue, being a chump wouldn't be an issue. However, when talking sports,
people compare athletes to others at their level.Massimo -Some
dictionaries might have "chump" in them, but many don't. It's a slang term that
means someone who's deeply flawed or lacking in some, possibly many ways. In
Tyson's case, we have a man who's very talented physically, but a chump
emotionally, mentally, which is where boxing lives when you have to men (or
women) who are fairly even physically.|
|10/15/03 08:31:05
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
Ali and Frazier called each other chumps all the time, falsely. Ali used
to call a lot of his opponents that. To be a chump impugns character, stopping
just short of manhood. Calling another fighter a fag would probably be the only
worse insult, and you don't hear that much. There have been some severe beatings
when this happened. I read a story once where Benny Paret, whom Emile Griffith
killed in the ring, had called Griffith a fag. Whether this had a play in the
result is debatable, but the story's out there.|
|10/15/03 09:02:29 AM|.|.||.||||10|I would be interested to know how you all
think the Jerry Quarry of 1973, especially the one who beat Ron Lyle and Earnie
Shavers, would have performed against Ken Norton. My own view is that Norton
didn’t beat the real JQ, who could never have recovered from his rematch with
Joe Frazier and who didn’t have much time to train for Norton anyway. My view
is based on something I overheard Angelo Dundee tell Muhammad Ali during the
middle rounds of his rubber match with Norton. Dundee said ‘Don’t back up
Muhammad. If you stick to his chest, he won’t be able to do anything.’ In his
fight with Lyle, JQ did just that. He took the fight to Lyle, forced the bigger
man backwards and counter punched all night. It was a very talented and
underestimated boxer in action. If JQ had fought using those tactics, I see no
way that Norton could have defeated him. I think that the JQ of 1973 would have
stopped Norton late in the fight. |
|10/15/03 11:50:22 AM|Fran|SEPA||PlC7755@aol.com||||10|As far as ability or
heart goes Norton was not in Jerry's leaque. The Jerry Quarry who beat
Mathis,Spencer, jumped on Frazier in 69 Blew out #1 Mac Foster in 70 blew out
Shavers and took apart Lyle would have easily countered and beat Norton and
probably stop him late. |