January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Kent know I am just playing with you'se guys! I apologize for any ethnic slurs.|
|3/3/05 04:12:54 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|The only guy on this site who stood
next to Wilt-What does it mean " the vendetta has already been placed "
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|3/3/05 05:22:27 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|ForestI read your posting. It
doesn't make much sense. You assume criticizms of Frazier that weren't made. You
twist facts to support an unsustainable view. You deny facts that history
records. And you nitpick with semantics.Even when I conceded a point to
Kent about the Quarry fight, and then asked Kent to confirm a comment he made
(that the Quarry fight was a recognized elmination bout), you condemned me. It
was a sincere question without hidden motive and I still don't know the answer
to it. I haven't been able to confirm Kent's assertion elsewhere, as the fight
wasn't listed as an official eliminator. Frazier doesn't describe it as an
eliminator in his book. So forgive me for being curious and I'll pardon you for
being unusually touchy. You also deny that there would have been a third
Ali v Frazier fight had Quarry beaten Frazier in their second fight. At that
point Ali and Frazier were one each, and nothing was going to stop a third bout.
After a loss to Quarry, Joe would have gone out, padded his resume with
some more "sissies" and "tomato cans" (his description) and, bingo, Ali v
Frazier 3. The world would not have let their feud rest at one
each.Anyways, you revel in the memories of Joe fighting Stander and
Daniels as title defences, while the rest of us will keep wondering what would
have happened if a past prime Joe had chanced his luck against Shavers, Foster,
Norton, Lyle, and the other viable fighters around at that time.Remember
this, Forest: if Bruce and Bonavena could knock down an in prime Joe, any fight
a past prime Joe had against Shavers, Lyle, Foster, and Norton were frought with
risk. Forest, I suspect that if you get away from the topic of Frazier
and Ali, you are probably not a bad guy. I'd guess that we share similar views
about many things in life and, apart from generational differences, our
backgrounds are almost the same. Neither of us were born with silver spoons.
It's just a pity that others can't post a view about Ali or Frazier
without you jumping down their throats calling them worshippers. Now
I'll quickly tell you about Ali's flaws and blemishes: 1) as we all know, he was
vulnerable to left hooks; 2) his jab was nothing more a point scoring flick; 3)
he never went into the Foreman fight to 'rope a dope'. That tactic happened
through necessity and he was forced into it; 4) Ali's legend got him some
controversial decisions; 5) I think it more likely than not that a prime Foreman
would have beaten a past prime Ali in a rematch fought here. It would have been
Foreman and not Holmes delivering the coup de tat.Even so, I have Ali in
my top 3 of all time with Louis and Marciano. I can't make my mind up on the
order, though. |
|3/3/05 09:06:15 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, no I
don't officially have proof that Frazier/Quarry 2 was an official title
elimination fight but I do think Frazier deserved a title shot for beating
Quarry when most people thought Joe was through and they favored Quarry going
in, but in hindsight it turned out to be the other way around, Frazier had some
life left in his career and Quarry didn't. I seem to remember seeing some ads
saying it was an elimination at the time but can't confirm it.Me not
having balls for not saying you didn't mean offense by asking me this question?
Huh? Your argument between Forest and yourself is just that, between Forest and
yourself and I am not involved it.I am just trying to make my points
about Frazier's ability as a fighter and Forest happens to agree with my
postion, period.It is too bad Mr. Jimmy (James Quarry) isn't around. As
he knew a lot of what was going on in boxing back then. Noam, I have a
feeling Mr. Jimmy would disagree with you but we will never know for
sure.The closet person we have is Bob (Robert) Quarry and although he is
younger than the other Quarry brothers, he has a lot of knowledge about Jerry