January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

een stopped when it should have, no one would have as strong an image of Joe
being knocked down six times in less than two rounds.I will use as an
example the Quarry/Shavers fight. If the referee had allowed Shavers to
continue after being badly hurt by Quarry in the first round, as Shavers did
beat the count after being knocked down, and Shavers had been knocked down over
and over again, then in your reasoning, Shavers would have been humiliated. But
this fight was properly stopped and everyone sees that Shavers was just caught
and hurt early and knocked out, which is what happened.You also totally
ignore the fact that before 1975 both Shavers and Lyle were not ready for
Frazier as they were inexperenced which was shown by them losing to Quarry.
They both gained the experience needed in from 1974 onward and that in Shavers'
case he started to emerge in 1975 onward as 1974 was a bad year for him with
starting in December 1973 with the loss to Quarry and throughout the next year
with losses to Bob "The Immortal" Stallings and a draw with Jimmy
Young.Lyle was gaining the experience needed in the rest of 1973, after
the loss to Quarry and 1974 but he used the experience to go after the title
verses Ali instead of fighting Frazier, a wise move as the title is what
fighters strive for.Since it is these two fighters who seem to be the
main ones you think Frazier avoided. You ignore the fact that there was a very
small time period when fights with Frazier would have taken place, 1975. Lyle
might have very well not wanted a fight with Frazier as he had lost to Young and
a possible second loss to Frazier would have made him lose his title
shot.The fact that both Lyle and Shavers were good prospects and that
their managers wanted to protect them by not putting them in over their heads
too soon is another reason why fights with Frazier didn't happen.
Fights between Frazier and Daniels and Frazier and Stander did happen as
even though Stander was the better of these two, their managers knew that one
chance was all they would have as they were not that good as prospects, Daniels
because he didn't have much talent, so he couldn't be ruined as a prospect and
Stander because of his poor training habits.I also think the same
argument regarding Quarry can be made about another big puncher Frazier
supposedly avoided, Mac Foster, meaning, if you don't beat Quarry, then you are
not ready or don't have the talent to beat Frazier. I think in the case of
Foster that yes he would have a puncher's chance against anyone but even though
he had that and he had a good long left jab, he had slow footwork and he didn't
have a lot of hand speed. I don't think, unless he got lucky, he could have
held Frazier off.|
|7/2/05 11:56:57 AM|KENT|MURRIETA, CA||KENTALLENENT@AOL.COM||||10|ANGELO, PLEASE
ANSWER MY POINTS ABOUT WHY IT IS POSSIBLE LYLE AND SHAVERS DIDN'T FIGHT FRAZIER,
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I KNOW NOAM WON'T, HE WILL JUST IGNORE
IT.ALSO, WHY DOES THE IDEA THAT FRAZIER AVOIDED PUNCHERS WORK FOR
FRAZIER BUT NOT FOR FOREMAN. THE NAMES EARNIE SHAVERS, MAC FOSTER, AND SONNY
LISTON ARE MISSING FROM HIS RECORD AND WHEN HE DID FACE LYLE, LYLE HURT FOREMAN
BADLY AND FOREMAN DAMN NEAR LOST. COULD IT BE THAT FOREMAN'S MANAGEMNT KNEW
FOREMAN HAD A PROBLEM WITH BIG PUNCHERS AND THAT IS WHY HE DIDN'T FIGHT ANY
OTHERS? IF IT WORKS FOR FRAZIER, THEN IT HAS TO WORK FOR FOREMAN TOO. THAT IS
IF THE LOGIC MAKES SENSE.I THINK THE LOGIC DOESN'T WORK FOR EITHER
FIGHTER. THAT THERE WERE OTHER REASONS WHY CERTAIN FIGHTS DIDN'T HAPPEN. SUCH
AS FOREMAN WAS TOO GOOD A PROSPECT TO PUT IN WITH LISTON WHEN FOREMAN WAS COMING
UP. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN OVER HIS HEAD. JUST LIKE LYLE AND SHAVERS, BEFORE
1975 AND IN SHAVERS CASE 1976, WOULD HAVE BEEN IN OVER THEIR HEADS WITH FRAZIER.
WHEN THEY WERE READY, LYLE TOOK THE ALI FIGHT INSTEAD AND IN SHAVERS CASE
FRAZIER WAS GONE FROM THE SCENE.ANGELO, AGAIN EVEN AMATEUR BOXING AND
PRO BOXING HAVE DIFFERENT RULES AND TRADITIONS. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WERE
TOURNAMENTS EVERY YEAR TO DETERMINE WHO GETS TITLE SHOTS BUT TRADITION IS
AGAINST THIS.|
|7/2/05 01:38:39 PM|Angelo|d c||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent: Forget about