January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

far as Norton goes, I think they should have ended 1-1-1 against each other.|
|10/17/05 04:55:08 PM|charles anderson|ark.||ctjjandfam@aol.com||||10|great to
see jonathan's post. i wrote him a personal note, since my son is in the
military, i am so proud of him and GOD is watching over him. roy looked like to
me he was to worried about getting hit instead of hitting tarver. both are great
champions, i hope roy will retire. now what do you guys think about my fellow
arky.jermaine talor's rematch with hopkins. i think it will be a barn burner
with taylor by k.o.(what did you think i would say)|
|10/17/05 05:02:47 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Joe's doctor might have something to
say about whether Frazier was hurt against Ali in that first fight. Frazier
spent several months in hospital recovering and he was unable to fight a viable
opponent for almost two years. No doubt that Joe won that fight, but he wasn't
unscathed.Frazier v Ali fight 2. Ali hurt Frazier in round 2 and Joe
acknowledges in his book (page 146) that "as I struggled to get myself together
I caught a break. Perez (referee) thought he heard the bell ending the round,
and stepped between Clay and me. Then the timekeeper got Perez's attention and
shouted up to him that the bell had not sounded. By the time the round resumed,
I had recovered."Anyone who thinks that Frazier wasn't hurt in Ali 3
needs a seeing eye dog. He put in an extraordinarily brave performance but he
was badly hurt. Joe admits that himself in his book.Willard asks about
Frazier against Lyle and Shavers. The outcome depends on the circumstances of
the fight. If Joe was coming in off patsies like Conners or Zyglwicz or Daniels
or Stander or Ellis (the one that was wheeled into Australia) then I'd expect
him to win. However, if Bonavena could knock Joe down twice in his prime
and nearly stop him, and if Ali was capable of almost stopping him (round 2,
fight 2), and if some guy called Bruce could knock him down, then there are no
'givens' with Lyle or Shavers. Both could knock Joe dead - even in his
prime.Upsets happen regularly in boxing and the slow starting Joe was
always vulnerable to an early stoppage. If Joe had hard lead up fights before
Shavers or Lyle, then I'd expect one of these guys to cause an upset. Joe took a
long time to recover from tough fights and he'd come in weakened. As I said, if
Oscar caught Joe twice, Lyle or Shavers only have to catch him once and the
smoke would be extinguished. Joe got knocked down 11 times in his
relatively short career.... once every 19.45 rounds, once every 3.3 fights. Lyle
and Shavers were just the guys to test his vulnerability. And anyone who
declares categorically that Lyle and Shavers had no chance against Frazier have
forgotten the lessons of history, especially the first Foreman/Frazier fight.
Upsets happen, usually when very big punchers are fighting guys vulnerable to
knocked-downs.|
|10/17/05 05:48:05 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Noam, Joe
was hospitalized after Ali 1 because of high blood pressure. He stayed there
until the problem stablized. So it was more a constitutional problem (brought on
by the Ali fight) than an injury caused by the fight itself. Sorry to be
pedantic about it. Oh, and whilst Joe was hurt against Ali in fight 2,
the second round, he wasn't going to be stopped. If Ali couldn't stop Frazier
until the 14th in fight 3, there was no stoppage coming in the second
fight.Pete, wants my top welterweights. 1. Sugar Ray
Robinson2. Henry Armstrong.The rest ? I'm not sure about the order
but the contenders are Ray Leonard, Griffith, Napoles, Cuevas, Trinidad, Hearns
(began as a welter), Basilio, Jimmy McLarnin, Mickey Walker, Kid Gavilan, Vernon
Forest.I consider Barney Ross more a lightweight guy, Whittaker
lightweight as well, De Lay Hoya began as a super featherweight, and Duran
(while he had highs and lows as a welterweight - both against Leonard), his
place in history is more as a lightweight. Thanks.|
|10/17/05 06:53:13 PM|Jonathan Quarry|Las Vegas||quarrytw3@yahoo.com||||10|With
the Taylor v Hopkins rematch coming up i was hoping to hear some opinions on how
the fight will end up, I am curious as to see if Hopkins will try to start fast