January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

the New York State Boxing Commission stipulation was BINDING. As a result MSG
announced to the press that it was an elimination fight. And the press
recognized it as such. You must remember that at the time it was
considered a foregone conclussion that Foreman was going to destroy Ali. And
that at the time Foreman was ducking Quarry. At that time Frazier was regarded
as a shot fighter who the "new" Jerry Quarry was going to beat. When Quarry and
Foreman lost all deals were off. Even if both Quarry and Foreman won
their respective bouts; there would have been no way for the New York State
Boxing Commission to enforce that stipulation, short of stripping Foreman of his
title if he did not fight Quarry. It is all conjecture at this point. But, it is
worth noting only 7 years earlier the NYS Boxing Commission stripped Ali of the
title and recognized the winner of the Frazier-Mathis match as the new champion.
As a the NYS boxing Commission's action would not have been unprecedented if
they went that route.The main point being that Kent was correct when he
remarked that it was recognized by the public and the press as a elimination
bout. Ali Worshippers #1 and #2 were wrong, no surprise there. One must remember
that while the ALI Worshippers are part of the public, their fanatical beliefs
and their closedmindless bias against Joe Frazier is so far out of mainstream
beliefs; they can be regarded as a sect.|
|3/4/05 06:28:55 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Here are the facts on
Frazier-Shavers.Frazier fights Stander on 5/25 in 1972. At that time
Shavers best win was over washed up ex light heavy champ Vicente Rondon in a ten
round snooze fest. There was no way that Shavers was more deserving for that
shot then Stander. Stander beat Shavers straight up and Shavers was fighting
stiffs. On 1/22, 1974 Frazier fights George Foreman. Obviously Joe was
avoiding big punchers with this selection. After Joe is demolished, Shavers
gets his first decent win over the then 7-3 Jimmy Young. NOBODY thought Jimmy
Young was going to be anything at that point. Shavers then signs to fight Jimmy
Ellis for 6/18. After that fight is scheduled Frazier inks to fight Joe Bugner
on 7/02. At this point Shavers has beaten NO ONE and Bugner is at least on the
map. They both win and Ali offers Frazier another go for over a million each.
During this same time Shavers negotiates to fight Quarry. This would be a
decent test for the unknown Shavers. They both lose. Shavers actually RETIRES
FROM BOXING after this fight. Ring magazine completely writes him off as does
the public. The fans are clamoring for Quarry and Frazier to go again. They
sign for 6/17, 1974. During this time Shavers unretires and goes back to ham
and eggers beating Cookie Wallace in 1 round. After they both win Shavers LOSES
to Bob Stallings on 11/04, 1974. He then draws with still unknown Jimmy Young
later in the month. Frazier beats Ellis as a warm-up for Ali. It could be said
he could fight Shavers here. He could have fought 50 other guys that were
thought of on that same level at the time. Shavers was thought of as a joke at
the time. Nobody would buy that fight. At least Ellis had once been good.
Shavers was a never was. After Frazier beats Ellis and Shavers beats immortals
Leon Shaw, Rochelle Norris and Oliver Wright, Shavers loses again. This time he
is knocked out by Ron Lyle as Frazier is preparing for Ali-Frazier III the
Thrilla in Manila. At this point Joe is basically done and Shavers would be
ranked about #30 in the world. This is definitive and the final word.|
|3/4/05 06:56:46 PM|Forest Ward|New York
City||raymccormack2003@yahoo.com||||10|Fan, that posting was great!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are not only a fan, YOU ARE CERTIFIED BOXING HISTORIAN!!!!!Fan,
don't expect the Ali Worshippers to acknowledge you great post, and research.
They will act as if it does not exist, and continue with their prattle. They
remind me of another group, but I know we try and avoid politics on this site,
so I won't give the name the of the party.|
|3/4/05 07:42:53 PM|Fan|USA||yes||||10| Forest - I can only say that I don't
recall what you seem to, and I still have many articles from that period (NY
papers) but I do recall the NY Commission - and only 5 other states -