January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

knocked out Doug Jones, and Jerry Quarry. These fights consist of Joes greatest
victories. When Joe was at his peak in the late 60's and early 70's right up to
the 1st Foreman fight, Kenny Norton was his sparring partner. Next,
Frazier lost "most of those fights in the middle of his career." He lost to 2
fighters, Ali and Foreman. Many people including noted sports writers Red Smith,
and Dave Anderson both thought Frazier won the 2nd Ali fight. All Ali did in
that fight was jab and grab after he stunned Frazier early in the fight.
As far as Frazier staying out of, "that tournament." Well, let's see he beat
Bonavena before and after the tournament, he stopped Quarry twiced, he knocked
out Ellis twice. He stayed out of "that Tournament," because he was the draw and
not the other fighter's. And he wanted to paid as such. That's why he was not in
"that tournament." And history proved him correct. I have no doubts that
if Liston could have gotten a boxing license in New York City, Frazier would
have fought Liston. NYC was the only place where that fight would have made
money. In the late 60's Las Vegas was not the capital of the boxing world. And
while people would watch Liston on TV for free via "The Wild World of Sports,"
They would not spend money to see him fight on closed circuit in the movie
theatres. Not after he stunk out the theatres in the 2 Clay fights. If Liston
was able to fight Frazier in 68 or 69; Liston would have taken the payday and as
soon as the going got tough he would lay down. Remember this was not the Liston
of the late 50's or early 60's, this was the Liston who was in his middle
40's.It's plain to see that some people's "love" for Ali during their
childhood prevent froms seeing things objectively in adulthood. And as a result
they are blinded by emotions. The plain truth is, "feelings are not
facts." |
|2/18/05 06:55:27 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Thanks Forest
and Mark. I was getting tired of carrying the Frazier banner and making, what I
think are good arguments in his favor as a fighter and seeing very little
agreement for my postion. Maybe you guys can continue the debate with Angelo, a
guy who's views I respect and who often hits the mark with his comments but who
misses the boat on this one, Frazier's status as an all time great As far as
Angelo is concerned I guess he and I will have to agree to disagree concerning
Frazier's greatness.Ironic, in that if Frazier's status is higher on the
all time list, this would make Ali greater than if Frazier was not an all time
great as Ali did beat him two times out of three. It seems Ali fans should be
able to see this.I am not out to downgrade Lyle's and Shavers'
abilities. I was just trying to point out that they were essentially fighters
from the next era from the era that Frazier fought in and even if the time
periods did cross briefly, Frazier was in no way obligated to fight them and not
doing so does not take from his historical legacy.|
|2/18/05 08:25:16 PM|charles anderson|ark.||ctjjandfam@aol.com||||10|Jerry
Quarry is looking down on you , Jonathan and is very proud of you. I have a son
in Iraq and has been there for a year. All of you guys and gals are my heroes.
GOD BLESS YOU and the very best to you always. |
|2/18/05 09:08:55 PM|Kent Appel|La Habra,
Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Jonathan Quarry, God bless you and keep you safe
in your duties for the military. We, the regulars here at your dad Jerry's
website are very proud of you. You are a credit to the family motto of, "there
is no quit in a Quarry!" I know you will make Jerry proud.|
|2/18/05 10:18:36 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Very interesting dialog
going on. I'm sorry for being a little heavy-handed in steering this place back
to boxing, but I really felt it needed it. Jonathan, thank you for all you do.
Joe Frazier's record and place in history speak for themselves. I would
rate him behind Foreman and Ali, however I do believe he would beat Holmes prime
vs prime. I say this because I think Holmes was at his best against a slightly
faded Norton, and could of lost that decision. Frazier in his prime wouldn't
lose to more than 5 guys all-time. Louis, Foreman, Ali, Liston would be bad