January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

coach I once had said it is because every person's vocal chords are different
and it hurts the voice to an extent to be too much of a copy cat. It is much
easier to find your own range and I believe more creative as well ot make a song
your own. That is why there are so many bad imitators out there. The real good
ones are few and far between.|
|7/10/05 11:53:05 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Konichiwa (Japanese greeting
word).Steve, you gotta lighten up on the bird seed. I'm not making a big
deal out of Shavers. He's just one of many (Lyle, Foster, Terrell, Patterson,
Norton and......you get the drift) who Frazier never touched gloves in ring
central with (can't say ducked, not allowed to, it offends sensitivities).
Shavers's legend was with his punching power, not his win/loss record.
He was a danger to someone with a vulnerable jaw (psst, here's a clue....think
Frazier).Now to Kent's question. Praise the Lord that he's moved away
from Forest's magic wand obsession. Kent writes that "Shavers had his jaw broken
in 1973 which meant he was out of commission for half the year after his win
over Ellis in June. That shows there was even less time when a Shavers v Frazier
fight could have happened."Answer: In March 1973 Ali also had his jaw
broken (by Norton). Even so, before year's end, Ali had another two fights
(against Norton and Lubbers). Broken jaws aren't the end. Doctors can fix 'em.
Even in 1973. Ask Ali. Frazier was a very inactive champion. On his tax
form he listed Boxer as occupation but he had so few fights this is arguably
incorrect. He fought so few times that if he had an employer he would have been
sacked for not turning up. Consider this.Frazier had 37 fights all up.
Ali had 56. Lyle 43. Ellis 40. Holmes 67. Norton 42. Quarry 53. Shavers 73.
Foreman 76. Liston 50. Patterson 55. Bowe 40. Dempsey 64. Louis 69.Walcott 53.
Marciano 49. In 1971 Frazier had one fight. Ali 4. Shavers 17. Quarry 4.
Foreman 7. Norton 4. Ellis 3.1972: Frazier 2(Daniels and Stander,
whoopeeee). Ali 6. Lyle 8. Quarry 3. Ellis 4. Shavers 8. Norton 6. Foreman
5.1973. Frazier 2. Ali 4. Shavers 4. Quarry 5. Lyle 9. Ellis 7. Norton
4. Foreman 2.1974. Frazier 2. Ali 2. Shavers 3. Quarry 2. Ellis 3.
Norton 2. Foreman 2. 1975. Frazier 2 (including the blockbuster Undead
Battle Down Under). Ali 4. Shavers 5. Lyle 3. Ellis 2. Quarry 2. The
point is, Frazier was so darn choosey about who he fought and didn't fight, even
going right back to 1968 in his prime. In 1968 he had 3 fights. In 1969 he had 2
fights. In 1970 he had 2 fights. It's like boxing wasn't his main job. What was
he doing with his time ? Selling crispy creams ?Yet Frazier, who fought
less fights than just about all other champions, still opted to fight Ellis
twice, while having a closed appointment book for even one fight against all the
other viable guys out there (who all "just happened" to be heavier hitters than
the by then hapless Ellis). In 1971 Frazier was 27 and he had just
beaten Ali and was in his prime. He had 10 more fights, only winning 5 of them
(the vanquished were Standers, Daniels, Bugner, Quarry, and a barely breathing
Ellis). He lost 4 out of his last 10 fights, and was stopped 3 times.
Joe had 9 fights in his last 6 years of fighting, averaging only 0.6 fights a
year. Frazier had more fights out of the ring with his girlfriends.
Frazier is a very relevant boxer in history. His relevance comes because
he beat Ali once. But there is a difference between being relevant and an all
time great. He only fought two great fighters - Ali and Foreman - and lost 4 out
of 5 against them. He was stopped 3 times against them. Against Foreman he set a
world bouncing record. |
|7/11/05 03:55:17 AM|Massimo |Roma||maths.com||||10|9 fights in 6 years means
1.5 fights a year. But this doesn't change the point, he wasn't actually
fighting too much! Lucky and lazy Joe!|
|7/11/05 04:22:08 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Massimo, of course, you are right and
I am a dunce. Instead of 9 into 6 I put 6 into 9 and then never proof read it.
That happens when you are tired or when you are a stupid goose. Mea culpa. But
even 1.5 fights a year isn't much. It doesn't sound like someone confident and