January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

can't be disputed.What you've done shows that Joe's career needs to be
bolstered by explanations and excuses. ProJoes can't let his career stand on the
facts alone. That's why they've got excuses why Joe fought this weak guy but not
this strong guy, why he fought this over-the-hill guy but not this up-and-comer,
and that's why they question the credibility of the bible of boxing - The Ring
Magazine's annual rankings.We have guys saying that you can't count that
guy because he was too much of a force when Joe was just a novice. That knock
down against Bruce doesn't count because Joe was too green. That fight against
Cummings doesn't count because Joe was over-the-hill. Not fighting Norton
doesn't count because they were friends, they were sparring partners, there was
more money in fighting Daniels. Yelp, yelp, yelp.No one in boxing's
history has had to rely on more excuses and explanations and qualifications than
poor old Joe. What you did, Howard, was record the facts. You've listed the
dates, the rankings, and the names. There's plenty to respect Joe for.
His one win against Ali. He gets a lot of respect from me for getting up 8 times
against Foreman. He stayed out of trouble out of the ring and was a decent guy.
However, in my opinion, and the facts support me, Joe dodged plenty of
guys, usually big punchers. He took the easy path too often for me. Not going in
the WBA tournament and then fighting Mathis, who hadn't beaten a ranked guy for
his prior 10 fights, sticks in my craw. So does the ridiculous title defenses
against Stander and Daniels.Hopefully, there's no need to talk about
this again. We've all expressed a view and now might be the time to move on.
Let's leave it in our rear view mirrors. |
|10/24/05 05:39:50 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Willard, Holmes won 48 successive
fights, he won 20 out of 21 title defenses, and he beat Shavers twice and Norton
once. Comparing the careers of Holmes and Frazier is chalk and cheese. Larry's
career facts kayo Joe's career excuses, every time.|
|10/24/05 05:49:27 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Noam, I am a man of color, and I
resent that remark about "niggling," when you are referring to me So this is
what it comes down too.You slander people and call them alcoholics, you
infer people are homosexuals. I've read your past posts, I know your
history.And now you are stooping to make racial remarks. What type of
miserable human being are you. And don't pretend you you could not have found
another better suited word. You disgust me.Go ahead Howard C, defend you
fellow name caller, you guys make me sick. Somehow turn it around and make me
the name caller. Isn't that your method?|
|10/24/05 06:44:23 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Howard, I am
not crying foul, I am just saying there is more than one way to interpret the
information. That it is possible some fighters Frazier supposedly avoided could
have not wanted to fight Joe and that is why those fights didn't happen-ie-
Patterson and Terrell.Also, why does Frazier deserve all of the scrutiny
when Foreman also didn't fight a lot of the same fighters Joe didn't and others
that Joe did fight such as Quarry and Bonevena?No knock on Foreman
though after all, he was great but not as great as the greatest, Ali. The same
for Frazier. He was great but he didn't mearsure up to Ali, the greatest. But
who does?|
|10/24/05 06:54:33 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Pete, the word "niggling" has
nothing to do with race or colour. The dictionary definition of
'niggling" is: "trifling; lacking in breath of view or boldness or effect;
cramped; irritable."It has nothing to do with race or colour and your
attempt to play the race card leaves you with no credibility. None at all. Can't
win the argument with facts and logic; so play the race card. Who cares what
colour you are ? Who of us here even knew that you are coloured ?And
Pete, you've chastized others numerous times about leaving the past in the past
and now you are doing exactly what you criticized them for. If you have to
(hypocritically) go back so far as you have then, clearly, you've run out of
logic and ideas. Guys like you are so easy to beat because you inevitably end up