January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|8/26/04 08:35:34 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Angelo, that
is a fair assessment from you. Most people don't think the first fight was
fixed. If you do enough research however it becomes more and more clear about
how exactly Sonny decided to give up his title. There might be other people on
here that know what I am talking about. I should have never posted it in the
first place, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers.|
|8/26/04 09:17:32 PM|'Big Tony' Rosinci|Alcatraz||mobsters@aol.com||||10|joe hit
da nail on da head. Liston took a dive in both fights because da mob told him
to. Most of Clays fights were rigged. Clay never had a victory under his own
steam. He was a bum.Joe, to get it so right, you must be a made guy.
Krause is sicialan, yeah ? Tell the guys what you're research showed about
Liston taking da dive. |
|8/27/04 01:54:27 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|I don't think that Clay-Liston 1 was
fixed. If it was fixed, why Liston did try to blind Clay ? And why did try to
kill Clay in the fifth round ?The second fight was PROBABLY fixed.Even
if I am Italian, I have nothing to do with fixed fights ! I don't fix fights.|
|8/27/04 02:24:01 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Joe, I agreee
with whoever said, "why would Liston take a beating if he was fixing a fight?"
If the fix was in during the first fight, Liston was hit solidly enough early in
the fight that he could have gone down from a hard punch and stayed down rather
than get pounded on for seven rounds. Also, even if he was missing a lot of
punches throughout the fight, he was still throwing a lot of hard punches.
Someone taking a dive would not be fighting as hard as Liston was
fighting.Joe you have always been one of the more rational posters here
and we go back for a few years now, but saying you have evidense that really
can't be presented here and saying others know this also(this unknown evidense)
does nothing to convince me the fix was in.I also have my doubts about
the second fight being fixed also. Ali did hit Liston with a short punch that
Liston didn't see while lunging in and while I think Liston could have gotten up
before the count of ten and that he wasn't hurt very badly, Ali would not go to
the neutral corner and referee Walcott didn't have control of the situation and
Liston stayed down because of this. If Walcott had control and Ali had went to
the corner like he was supposed to, Liston would have beaten the
count.The only evidense I can go by is what I have and I can't go by
some shadowy underground characters saying with a wink, "if you only knew what I
know!" Since I don't know what they supposedly know, then I have no information
to change my opinion.The only credible evidense for a fix being in in
either fight is if Liston in 1964 and 1965 was really this unbeatable monster
and Ali in the very first round of the first fight showed Liston was hardly
that. Heck, Eddie Machen, about three years earlier, showed that a fighter with
good skills could at least stay close to Liston, who I might add, was very near
his prime. The only fighter among the upper elite of the division Liston was
unbeatable to was Floyd Patterson, who didn't match up well with Liston and who
would have been beaten most of the time the two of them fought, if not every
time.|
|8/27/04 02:49:22 AM|Kent|LH, Ca||kentallenetc.||||10|That a fighter can be hurt
badly by a short punch that didn't look like much can be seen in the
Foreman/Moorer fight. The punch didn't look very devastating to me but the look
in Moorer's eyes as he layed on the canvas and tried to lift his head to attempt
to get up, showed that Moorer's lights were out, that he he had no control over
the muscles that respond to make him get up before the count.I think
Liston in the second fight with Ali was stunned in this same way but not as bad
as Moorer was against Foreman and Liston could have, as I said in my last post,
beaten the count if he had tried.Another tragic example of an incident
not looking bad but being much worse than it seemed, in this case fatal, was the
crash of race car driver Dale Earnhardt. I was watching that race on T.V. when
the crash happened and I had no idea until later that Earnhardt had died,let