January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

done by '76 and in '73 Quarry took him out in one round. Why didn't Ali fight
Shavers in '73? Because Shavers was viewed as a non-entity. Frazier could have
fought Lyle, but he lost to Quarry. So Joe fought Quarry. It makes perfect
sense that Joe doesn't fight either. At least to those of us that remember when
it came down. Seems like Joe Frazier has to be defended here against an Ali fan
about every year or so. Par for the course.|
|2/15/05 04:43:10 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Fan.....Howard's opinion is as valid
as yours. You claim to be a very experienced observer of boxing, a veteran
visitor to this site, but you seem too frightened to put your name to what you
say so we can all see who is really talking. Unfortunately, that discredits you
as it makes it appear that you are ashamed of something in your past here.
Howard....while true that Ali's career stands on its own without need
for exaggeration or explanation, I think it untrue to say that Frazier's legend
is BUILT on excuses.Frazier did enough to be considered significant in
his own right. However, his legend is embellished by Ali-haters (perhaps like
Fan or Gerry or Forest) who were desperate to see Ali get beaten for his
controversial views that ran opposite to main stream white America at that time.
It is more true to state that the legend of Frazier is GLUED together by
excuses. His career needs excuses to survive critical scrutiny. There are too
many gaps in Joe's resume for Joe to be considered a great and his prime was
probably the briefest of any fighter arguing for acceptance as an
elite.Ali beat him and then stopped him. Foreman thrashed him
effortlessly twice. Even poor old Oscar came close. Louis would have stopped him
on sheer power. Marciano's right hand would have knocked him silly. Frazier was
very vulnerable early when Tyson was at his deadliest, so Tyson knocks him out
round 2. Holmes would have jabbed him around the ring winning an easy decision.
And Lewis would have been too big and too strong for the shortish Frazier with
the short reach. That's my opinion, anyway, Fan (or Gerry or Forest or
whoever you are), and it's as valid as yours. By the way, Fan, first of
all you criticized us here for discussing subjects away from boxing. So we
stopped that to please you. But now you criticize us for talking about Frazier.
Give us a break, Fan. What game are you playing ? Is it your agenda to
sabotage this site so that others begin visiting Gerry's new one ? Evcidently
that is what you are trying to do. Some fan you are of the Quarrys. |
|2/15/05 04:47:12 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Everyone's opinion is as
valid as mine. That is true. To say I am an Ali basher is absurd, terribly
absurd. I have never discredited anything about Muhammad Ali and hold him
incredibly high regard. Where did you get the idea I was an Ali basher Noam?|
|2/15/05 05:24:24 PM|Steve|N.J.|| DMMSRM2@comcast.net||||10|Frazier had big wins
over Eddie Machen,who gave him the nickname "Smoken Joe Frazier",he had wins
over Chuvalo,Ellis,Bonevena,Jerry Quarry,Ali once,then fought him twice more.He
fought Foreman twice!What other fighter fought Foreman twice?I don't think he
was ducking anyone.Why fight someone who is coming up,like Shavers or Lyle at
that time,when he could fight Ali or Foreman again?Remember, he fought Quarry
the second time after Jerry beat Lyle and Shavers.I definitly agree with the
posters who placed Frazier in the top 10 or 15.Angelo,as you stated,the whole
discussion revolves around opinions on Ali's,and Frazier's place on the all time
greatest list.I don't dispute the fact that Ali was a more complete fighter than
Frazier.My point is that Frazier was the recipient of very very good
management,and a very different type of fighter than Ali.Timing is everything!If
Frazier had met Lyle or Shavers in his prime years,he would have walked them
down.Much as Quarry did.|
|2/15/05 05:52:03 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Well said, Steve from New Jersey ! If
Frazier was a chump why did he fight Bonavena and Foreman a second time, after
they both had hurt him so bad the first time ? And he fought Foreman the second
time only (or just) for a matter of pride, as after the THrilla he really had no
chance of getting another shot to the title. I think he fought Foreman again to