January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

eferee is supposed to, Liston would have gotten up before the count of ten and
the fight would have continued. |
|9/12/03 05:04:28
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Steve -
Hey,R.S. your depiction of a bully is very accurate.The old idea of
a bully just needing to be stood up to is why we we are having
shootings in schools.***Yes, and this is why I have reservations about
kids and martial arts. If the child needs this because of unwillingness to
fight, then it isn't going to help. If it's because of a size difference, size
is waaay more deciding in kids than it is in grown men, so martial arts may
help, or not, but quite likely not. I think martial arts can have the potential
for getting a kid in a situation he's unsuited to handle (even
then).Inside the ring,there are no bullies.Both men
enter the ring willingly.Both men are trained, professional
fighters.***That's true. Even in one sided contests, Ali was not a bully
to beat up Wepner, Holmes for doing the same to Cobb, Frazier to Daniels, of
Foreman to those five lumberjacks he fought on one night. There are cases where
fighters are bullies in real life, but this is rare, and much rarer than for the
population at large. Most fighters are very sweet, nice guys away from the ring.
They sure have nothing to prove, unlike a guy in the street who
might. Their are some
very real,large,strong,mean,possibly physcopathic people out
there,but not many in pro sports.Although Warren Sapp does
spring to mind.***Sapp had better cool it. The football field has many
ways of dealing with hotdogs and guys who go around talking about how bad they
are. Look at what happened to Fred Williamson and Brian Bosworth, among others.
The real tough ones let their performance do their talking for them, just as in
the ring.|
|9/12/03 05:36:09 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Jimmy Dorsey,do you
rember what amount of weight Quarry and Frazier pressed overhead in the milatery
press event in the supersports stars competition? I think Joe Frazier grunted,
strained and finally muscled up about 220lbs.I think Jerry Quarry pushed up
200lbs.Clearly,neither of these men incorperated much weight lifting into their
training.the mil. press doesn't show overall body strenth , but shoulder and
triceps power.For guys who didn't train with weights , these are pretty
impressive poundages.It seems to show, that in this area, at least,Quarry and
Frazier were pretty closeley matched. |
|9/12/03 05:53:11
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadsholarett@homail.com||||10|Steve -
Entertaining that the training scenes were in the Rocky movies, most
fighters wouldn't do a lot of the things shown, some very silly, such as chasing
a chicken. Ali commented that the only chickens he ever saw in his camp were on
the dinner table! :-) However, the weight training does go on now, more and
more. The old myth that weight training will make a fighter "muscle bound and
slow" is finally starting to die out. As an adjunct to boxing specific training,
weights will strengthen a fighter, build endurance and cardiovascular capacity,
and do nothing to affect flexibility. I've asked people who saw these
competitions, but no one knows what Frazier and Quarry pressed (actually more of
a clean and jerk). As a minumum, the NFL likes a man to be able to benchpress
his body weight at least 10 times, and most can go way beyond this. The football
players always won this event of course, given their size and the brutal
weightlifting programs all players take part in. However, if this is true that
Joe and Jerry put up 220 and 200, this is very impressive. First, it's about
what they weighed, and second, weights weren't the biggest part of their
training.BTW, does anyone know why Ali had a doctor, Ferdie Pacheco, in
his camp? No other fighter did this. Did he have medical problems we know
nothing about? Was he on prescription drugs? I know he shot up his hands with