January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

George's flaws as a boxer as well. Foreman had poor balance, good defensive
openings, and no jab, he's nowhere near #1. Road'ette, I'm a Frazier fan too, he
was a courageous man who, when enraged, gave Ali, all he could ever handle.
Jerry had better handspeed than Joe, as did others. Joe's forte was his abilty
to pursue relentlessly and eat or slip hundreds of punches in doing so. I agree
with Kent, Ali over Frazier 8 out of ten, and that's no disrespect to Joe at
all. Koo Koo, let's quit the namecalling, it adds nothing to this site. Since
all-time lists are being added, here's mine: 1)Muhammed Ali, not that I'm a big
fan of his, but he is the best I've ever seen. He lost his best years to
suspension, in my opinion. 2)Joe Louis, I also consider Joe the #2 sports
performer of the past century, behind Babe Ruth, because of what he did for
America. Ali I'd put fifth, behind Jim Thorpe and Jackie Robinson. The rest of
the heavyweights I put in no particular order: Jim Corbett, Jim Jeffries, Jack
Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Rocco Marciano, Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson.
Note the absence of Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, and Lewis, they belong
in the next group. Koo Koo, one reason Tyson might pound Dempsey today is
because he came some 65 years after him, isn't it? Tyson benefitted from all the
training advancements that came after guys like Dempsey, didn't he? If Tyson
comes along in 1920, and if he avoids prison, which is doubtful, he weighs 190
and he and Dempsey are even. My list is based on the abilty to dominate one's
era, not fuzzy prime vs. primes which rarely respect the classic champs
properly. Massimo is right about Carnera, a good moving big guy who could box,
but was afraid to punch, a gentle giant. One of a number of good Italian
heavies.|
|9/29/03 01:25:17 PM|Gerry Schultz|Ohio||jgschultz11@msn.com||||9|Also, I saw a
couple of good up-and comers this weekend, Dominick Guinn and Joe Mesi, both
look like very good top Ten material.|
|9/29/03 02:16:44
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo - you have
a lot of even rounds there! What's really interesting to do (which judges don't
have the benefit of) is putting fights or parts of them on slow motion. It's
interesting how this can turn perception of a round around. In fight one, Ali
didn't go after Frazier early as he did in Manilla, but he wasn't brilliant
either. Good enough to win though, which he probably did in three of the first
four rounds. Ali won nine, but other than that, five through fifteen, Joe won
seven or eight, one even maybe, with fifteen dramatically his. Dundee said Ali
was knocked out at the point of impact, alive again on impact, then miraculously
was able to muster some fight at the end.Gerry - I still say Frazier had
the fastest hands next to Ali, maybe Holmes. Tyson after them. The champs of old
would have carried more weight (muscle too), and would have changed their
fighting styles and training if they were around today. One guy I read about who
was a fantastic athlete other than as a fighter, was Jeffries. His workouts
would put guys today to shame, he could run close to a 10 second hundred, and
high jump five feet, doing the Western Roll! At 220 pounds.Say, does
anyone have any interesting anecdotes about any of the top fighters in
altercations in the street? I'm sure they'd all have avoided this at all costs,
for legal reasons, but everyone can be pushed too far. I've read some, none to
the benefit of the health of the average guy!|
|9/29/03 03:45:09 PM|Massimo|Rome||3||||10|RS-I have read that Ernie Cab
was a very good street brawler and that ( if I remember correctly) once he
challenged Sonny Liston in astreet brawl but Sonny didn't want part of
it.I think Ali' won the following rounds: 2,9,14 and maybe
5.Gerry-Thanks for your support to Carnera's cause !I don't say
that Carnera was good just because he was Italian. I say that because I really
believe that. I think he was much better than people usually think.About
Foreman-I meant that if Foreman hadn't fought Ali', probably the wordl
wouldn't have realize and maybe wouldn't not even have suspected that Ali'