January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Holmes and Foreman fought a lower percentage of world class opponents than
Frazier fought.There are an awful a lot of tomato cans on both Foreman's
and Holmes' records.Ali is the exception to most rules that is why is
the greatest.There coudl be some argument as to who a world class
fighter is but even if I added fighters like Scott Ledoux and David Bey to
Holmes's list, he still fought a lower percentage of world class opponents than
Frazier did. |
|10/20/05 02:22:07 AM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Doubling up
on guys already beaten. The second Ellis fight was world class. Ahmmm. Maybe Joe
should have fought Ellis a third and fourth time to get Kent's percentages up
some more. And forget about the more fights someone has the fewer world class
fighters are available, etc. A misleading yardstick.I'm outvoted.
Democracy reigns. So.....1. Robinson2. Armstrong3. Gavilan4.
Basilio5. Trinidad6. Leonard7. Whitakker8. Griffiths9.
Naples10. Walker11. Hearns12. McLarninWill you get off my
back now Pete ?|
|10/20/05 03:09:10 AM|mark sargeant|uk||mark_sargeant2003@yahoo.co.uk||||10|Re
Patterson-he may have been knocked down more times than any other champ, but he
also got up more times than any other! He was only knocked out by Ali, Liston
(no disgrace there) and Johansson who was a huge underated puncher, who of
course he came back to defeat twice. Patterson deserved to be beat Ellis and in
Johansson, Machen, Chuvalo, Moore, Cooper, Bonavena beat some good fighters. In
his prime he may well have beaten Quarry, I'm not sure as he was 34 when he lost
to Jerry.One point to pick up is how Frazier fought a man who is as tough as
Bonavena as his 11th fight. Frazier's flaws have been exposed correctly in a few
posts but this highlights one reason for a lot of respect for the man,
particularly as Foreman only had Chuvalo on his hit list after 40 fights and
today's heavyweights need 25 fights at leat before approaching anyone in the top
ten.|
|10/20/05 06:20:24 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Howard C.-"Cheers" is one of
the many words I learnt on this site. Others are: bum, chump, wimp, jerk, ass...
I like to use (or using) "cheers" once in a while.|
|10/20/05 08:12:04 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent:
"Percentage" of world class fights is not valid in my opinion and it borders on
ridiculous. How about "quantity" or "number of" world class fights? If a pro
tennis player takes on Venus and Serena Williams, Lindsay Davenport, Maria
Sharapova and okay, let's add Anna K. for some eye candy---and five unranked
players, their percentage of world class opponents is 50%. If another player
takes on Anna K. and Venus Williams, and one unranked player, their percentage
is 66%. Okay, so what? Who accomplished more? If you have fewer matehes, or
fewer fights, and you miss a bunch of relavant world class athletes, who cares
if your percentage is higher? You haven't taken the risks! |
|10/20/05 08:23:03 AM|Gerry|LeBronville||same||||10|I prefer ' cheers ',
Massimo, to the other choices listed. I remember that Evren used to use that one
a lot when he posted here ...A lot being made of bums lately. To a point,
this is a little curious. A Porsche that goes from 0 to 150 has to briefly do
30, am I right?Ali, during his Clay days, had a hard time getting fights
early on, as did Frazier, Norton and Foreman. Why? Becuse they were tough to
beat and they didn't draw. Ali only drew after he became the Lip. Honestly,
would you stand against these guys with little pay? I wouldn't.Frazier's
manager was given kudos for steering a good course for Joe to smoke thru. Not
every manager is of the thinking that he should heave his guy in against Tony
Doyle and Eddie Machen in his first full year just because his guy is so good.
That fast approach obviously presents risk.The name of the game is to fight
the guys you have to fight, not every badass on the playground, and keep
yourself in a place to contend. At least that's my opinion ...Howard C., I
have a lot of respect for Holmes, don't get me wrong. The guy was a master