January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Liston (who was hit harder earlier and later in his career and never went down
like that). But with that said, Ali (Clay) totally dominated Liston in the
first fight. I know that other posters here saw that fight differently and
think that Liston was even with Clay---nonsense---Liston was consistently beaten
to the punch, outboxed and looked like an old man sitting on that stool, face
swollen, shoulders separarted from the punches he missed--quitting against the
man who would become the greatest, Muhammad Ali. |
|2/3/05 05:04:09 PM|Massimo |Roma capitale||4||||10|Howard C.Liston
didn't train enough for the first fight with Clay. He had been making love twice
a day with b====s an drinking all the way to the fight and he underrated
Cassius. I think the first fight was very close for four rounds ( I don't count
the fifth round cause Cassio was blind). The second fight was a farse. I think
that the Ali' who fought Cleveland Williams on 14 November 1966 was the greatest
heavyweight of all time. I know that Williams was washed up, but he could still
punch harder than Impelletiere and was a threat for any fighter. Ali' was
unbelievable on that night, quick and even powerful. But I think that in an
immaginary [(1958-1960 and well trained Liston) vs 1964 Clay] Sonny would have
probably won.Angelo-Liston vs Tyson LISTON ALL THE TIME, TUTTA
LA VITA !Sam Langford was almost a supernatural fighter. He was so
small, shorter than even Andre' and so light but he beat over and over guys who
were twice his size. Jack Johnson beat him quite easily though.Dempsey
is overrated, he ain't a top tenner, he could only punch, he ain't any better
than Earnie Shavers. Jack Sharkey outboxed the hell out of him. When asked about
his irregular knockout punch in the seventh round of that fight Dempsey
responded: " What was I supposed to do ? Writing a letter ?". MANUTE BOL
WEARS A SIZE 16 1/2 SHOE AND CAN REACH 10'6" BY STANDING FLAT FOOTED|
|2/4/05 02:27:18 AM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Massimo - how
do you know that Liston was with all those women every day before he fought Clay
? Even if he was then that doesn't necessarily detract from your training.
(S)exercise before a fight is beneficial.Heck, in my prime, it didn't
affect me. It was a confidence booster. And Muhammad had a harem in Manilla
before the Thrilla when he beat the Gorilla. Liston didn't have any
meaningful excuses; trust me on that.|
|2/4/05 02:50:19 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|I have read it in a book written by
David Ramnick that (or which) was about Patterson, Liston and Clay.I have
never been a fighter but I remember that when Adriana wanted to make love with
Rocky in Rocky 1, Rocky said:" No, Adrian, I can't because I'm in training".
Phisicists don't have this problem, obviously. |
|2/4/05 07:06:47 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|KENT: I am
incllined to agree with you that JQ in his prime would have beaten Machen in his
prime although I am not sure about that. Machen did manage to last ten rounds
against Liston in his prime and kept it pretty close. That tells me a lot about
him. In all honesty I don't think JQ could have lasted ten against Sonny. But
styles make fights and Machen had the style to make anyone look bad. I think JQ
would have won a decision over him. I think Williams vs. JQ would have been a
good one -- if JQ fought a smart fight like against Lyle he would have won.
Williams unlike Lyle had a wicked jab and was a fast combination puncher, but I
would have bet on JQ.|
|2/4/05 08:04:02 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Max
Schmeling---dead at 99! I heard on ESPN today that Schemling paid for Joe
Louis' funeral---never knew that.|
|2/4/05 10:02:28 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Schemling was
a very good fighter and a good man and a man caught between the propoganda of
his bad government in Germany in the time of Hitler and his inclination to do
what was right.Ironically, it was sportsmen like Schmeling who seemed to
keep their humanity when a lot of their countrymen were losing theirs.It
doesn't surprise me that Schmeling paid for Louis' funeral as the two became