January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

was salvaged from it. |
|7/18/05 11:20:51 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent:
Wasn't that Jones' first fight (Yaqui Meneses)? I think Jones probably peaked
around his fourth fight! No wonder he went back to football. I guess Frazier
would have still had an easy time with him, even when Frazier was done!!!|
|7/18/05 12:39:19 PM|Fan |USA||n/a||||10| Howard: I am gratified that you would
deign to quote me, thank you. And thank you for your explanation. I was
thinking perhaps the guy with the bumper sticker whom Bob saw was just a young
man overwhelmed by his own situation. Maybe, although he's a member of a group
like the KKK, he doesn't actually blow up little girls at church himself. He's
just a bit confused right now. I suppose that would not preclude him from being
considered, in the future, a great American by some. After all, everyone makes
mistakes. I think the modern cliche for such thinking is moral relativism.
I have tried to be honest. Now I ask you to be. Did you know in 1984 that
Ali had clearly repudiated the NOI (if he did)? I was a pretty avid student of
boxing back then, yet I somehow missed it. If it happened, it was a well kept
secret. The effect was kind of like the noise a tree makes falling in the
forest if no one is there to hear, no? But maybe I just missed it. |
|7/18/05 01:05:28 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Fan, if the
tree falls and no one is there to hear it, maybe it doesn't make any sound but
who cares? There's still no doubt that if fell. If the guy with the bumper
sticker changes his views in a few years, tells his friends and family that he
was wrong "back then" and throws the bumper sticker away, that's all we can ask
for. He doesn't have to go on Maury Povich to tell the world. Remember George
Wallace? He changed his views and didn't have to broadcast it. When he died,
some people were very puzzled when high profile black Americans (I still prefer
this term over "African American" since not all black Americans are from Africa)
showed up at his funeral. Anyway, they said that he had changed his views, had
moderated, had become a plus to the black community. People change. If their
heart changes they don't need to tell the world. |
|7/18/05 02:10:20 PM|Fan|USA||n/a||||10| Angelo - you've touched upon the "role
model" debate. While Ali is a public figure (if there ever was one), the
public at large couldn't care less about the bumper sticker guy. I think you'd
agree that Ali's stature is a bit greater - I doubt anyone considers bumper
sticker "The Greatest". Ali had and still has a tremendous power to
influence people, and along with that goes a responsibility, at least in my
view. The ground he staked out in 1964 when he joined the NOI generated a huge
amount of public interest, just as Ali and the Black Muslims planned. It's
difficult to argue that a complete turnabout would have /should have been an
entirely private matter. |
|7/18/05 04:46:07 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Fan: a lot
of people don't hear or see the tree fall because they deliberately close their
eyes and ears. They need a reason to dislike someone and they don't want to
discover that the reason is false.Initially, Fan, you asked for someone,
anyone, to provide you with credible evidence that Ali had renounced the views
and teachings of Louis Farrakhan. You asked for evidence that Ali had also
renounced the "all white men are devils" statement.Noam succeeded on
both counts. He gave you a quote from a published book that stated categorically
that Ali publicly renounced Farrakhan's views in 1984 and that Ali also said, "I
was wrong. Colour doesn't make a man a devil. It's the heart and soul and mind
that count."Fan, you said that if someone could show that Ali had
renounced these views then he would go "up immeasurably" in your estimation.
However, the proof HAS been provided by Noam on BOTH counts, yet you are still
arguing against Ali. You went back on your word.Which brings me back to
the start. Some people don't hear or see the tree fall because their eyes are
closed and their ears shut..... |
|7/18/05 04:52:50 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|...but it may not have