January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

with his fingers and saying it will never happen to him. I remember Ali
ridiculing Joe Louis, and saying he will never end up like Joe Louis.
Ali was probably the most articulate heavyweight champion who ever lived, and
one of the most "prettiest". And now Ali can't talk, he has trouble walking
(sometimes he is pushed in a wheelchair), and his wife has to cut his food for
him. And his hansome face is frozen like a mask. It saddens me at
times.I remember Ali calling Joe Frazier a gorilla, and saying Frazier
was too ugly to be champion. Well, apparently Frazier remembers it to. Because
Frazier is known to do imitations of Ali, where Joe is violently shaking like
Ali and not able to speak like Ali, and pretends his face is frozen like Ali's,
and then Joe Frazier asks, "now you tell me who won those fights." |
|8/20/04 07:54:34 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Well, if Frazier is
really doing impersonations of the Parkinson's stricken Ali specifically, I feel
sorry for him. After all these years, and considering the fact that Ali made
Frazier far wealthier and more noted than he would have been if not for Ali,
it's sad if he can't let the hatred go already. Ali called Liston The Bear,
Shavers the Acorn, Spinks the Duck---someone else (Holmes?) he called the
Beaver. Ali disrespected the legend Archie Moore, claiming "Moore will fall in
4" then knocking him out in the 4th round. We all know the story of "what's my
name?" And after knocking down Richard Dunn a few times, an aging Ali started
mocking Dunn in the neutral corner by circling his arm doing the bolo punch
while Dunn was down. The list goes on and on and on. He was a showman in the
ring (acting like he wasn't phased after Earnie Shavers nearly cold-cocked him).
And prior to fights, he was a bold, loud mouthed promoter. It did go over the
line with Frazier, but that was 33 years ago and as stated, Frazier got rich
from the Ali fights and it's probably the most notable reason why we even talk
about Frazier. Time for Joe to let it go already. And as far as the comment
"Who really won those fights?" I have this to say to Frazier: The only fight he
won, 1971, basically retired him. He was in the hospital while Ali was back
home. And after that fight, he wasn't man enough to defend against anyone
ranked higher than Daniels or Stander, until he stupidly took on Foreman and
nearly had his head taken off. Ali got the better of him two more times,
especially in Manilla, where Frazier's head seemed to be a different shape at
the end of the fight than at the beginning---and finally, a year later, Foreman
manhandled him again. So Joe, I'd say to answer that question, Ali won two of
three---and while you got the decision in 1971, Ali managed to have a whole
career after that, while your only real wins were against Quarry and Ellis. Oh,
and let's not forget the final fight against one of the alltime greats, Jumbo
Cummings. |
|8/20/04 10:43:25 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||jgschultz11@aol.com||||10|Some
surprisingly heated comments on Joe Frazier. I do not like Ali the man, but Ali
the sports figure demands my respect. So it should be with Joe. Someone said he
was not a risk taker? He had no real reach, no defensive skills and was nearly
blind in one eye. Frazier is the most courageous heavy I've seen, and he
deserves his place with Ali and Foreman. Foreman might rank slightly higher than
Frazier due to his wins vs. Joe and his talent, but Frazier went much further
with his talent than Foreman ever did with his. Frazier gets character points
Foreman does not, in the ring anyway. I would have loved to have seen the
Foreman who beat Frazier in the second fight make a comeback vs. Holmes in the
late 70's. Like Bowe, Foreman is really a wasted talent, and wasted talents do
not rank as the best ever. There are no such 'what ifs ' with Frazier, who, like
Quarry, left it all in the ring. Thanks.|
|8/21/04 02:08:24 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Just for fun,I wonder how a 1971
version of Joe Frazier would have done against Vitali Klitschko. Vitali is so
much wilter than Joe and more powerful than Ali, but Cassius was waaaay better
stilistically. AgainstCorrie Sanders Vitali showed flaws and strenghts at
the same time; flaws because Corrie had him in trouble a few times, strenghts