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Smelser, Neil<br />

degree to which they are tight or loose in this regard. But the unease I was referring to is that when<br />

you want to relax some of those givens, if you want to take the propensity to consume as an inner<br />

dynamic rather than assumption, then you've got to move outside, you lose some of that theoretical<br />

specificity that the simplifying assumptions give you, but at the same time you become closer in<br />

touch with reality. The problem is to spread out, but at the same time maintain discipline. That's the<br />

real tension with interdisciplinary work, I've always discovered, and in a way you have to make up<br />

your own discipline -- discipline, small D -- because it's not supplied in any automatic way when<br />

thinking about two approaches at the same time. There's a synthesis that has to go on.<br />

I might say that this interest in interdisciplinary [study] started early. The Social Relations department<br />

was an interdisciplinary department ...<br />

This is at Harvard?<br />

At Harvard when I was an undergraduate and graduate student. I studied philosophy, politics, and<br />

economics at Oxford; my doctoral dissertation was an historical study informed by sociological<br />

frameworks, and of course, going into psychoanalysis was yet another extension into the special part<br />

of the world of psychology. So, this has kind of been in my blood and I suppose that the statement I<br />

made about interdisciplinarity in that essay was probably a kind of biographical statement.<br />

I know you've thought a lot about the history of the intellectual communities, and so on, and you've<br />

run the Center for Advanced Studies in Behavioral Sciences at Stanford, California (not at Stanford<br />

University). What are the kinds of environments that are conducive in making possible the most<br />

rewarding outcomes from interdisciplinary work?<br />

I can tell you first an environment that's not very conducive, and that's the university itself. Its<br />

structural division into departments, the building of departments around disciplines, the building<br />

of careers within disciplines, all conspire toward a narrowing and more specialized line of inquiry,<br />

and most people in the various fields tend to go that route, then to make their careers out of more<br />

specialized work, and they continue to do it within the confines of the specialization that they chose<br />

in the first place or that they've been working in. And the atmosphere of the university with the<br />

department in particular is to reward that career line.<br />

It seems to me that aside from any personal predilections one might have toward thinking more<br />

broadly or more comprehensively, I would have to say that someplace like the Center is extremely<br />

conducive, because you bring people in there -- it has no organization. There are no departments, no<br />

age levels, no seniority levels, no nothing. Everybody is equal, everybody is in there doing their own<br />

work, but everybody is systematically exposed, not in a compulsory but in an unstructured way, to<br />

everybody else. Things begin to spark, and we have had so many testimonies in the reports and the<br />

follow-ups of the scholars who went to the Center of contacts they made, friends they established,<br />

intellectual influences on them outside their own field, which changed their work sometimes in minor<br />

but sometimes in major ways. I think to introduce people into an unstructured situation of that sort<br />

probably leads to a kind of encouragement of destructuring their own thinking. I realize this is a<br />

kind of biographical statement, and I could probably think of other kinds of settings. The Society of<br />

Fellows was a similar experience because people came from everywhere and you necessarily, just<br />

through personal interaction, got exposed to their viewpoints.<br />

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